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Chapter 12: So long and good night

Hiei

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This will be my last blog post here.

I just kind of wanna get this first bit out of the way. The members of the Aspire program that left are not off crying in a corner, about how their division got cut. The Aspire division left vVv, to start our own program, and potentially join another. We're not just holding a little pity party. Just wanted to get that out of the way.

As many of you know, the SC2 division for vVv gaming is no more. I have been extremely vocal in the actual thread here, as well as on Reddit as to the actual happenings within vVv, concerning the SC2 division. I write this not with the intent of hurting vVv's reputation (although it will), but in an attempt to reach out to those who are apart of vVv to help further your career in eSports, and so that they may grasp what being apart of vVv is truely about.

vVv has a history of fucking over their players, in the recent past, and in the last several weeks. A direct quote from Nubrgini on Reddit:

  • I really got baited hard with their offers and such, they had a new management, Salvor, a good hearted person to take up management to renew their tarnished image. Only problem is that they lied to both me and Salvor with the requests. When processes go in, Salvor would put them through but the higher up, the people I don't want to name because it brings fame to them, would just ignore it and constantly make lies or excuses why it has not gone through. I was promised Dallas, LAN ETS 2013 as well as Gear, shirt, financial support as a sponsored player but they kept making excuses and delaying everything. Shady organization as always. Even if it's not SC2 they're looking into, this organization should be boycotted and not even allowed to be in ANY eSports community. The community itself is blinded by their lies so they just have to follow, it's the managers who you should look out for.

As a side not, upon none of the agreements on vVv's part being met, Salvor bought Nub a new mouse, with his own moneyThese claims are also supported by Glon, who recently left vVv, due to disputes with management.

  • vVv has consistently lied to their players and manipulated them, all in the name of the "community." If you're wondering why vVv never got big into SC2 and lost all of their players consistantly, it's because they made offers they knew they couldn't keep (then talked their way out of them/covered them up) just to keep players from leaving.

Word is that Glon is also getting a bunch of testimonies from former vVv members together, and putting them all in one place, and making a big post on how poorly vVv treats their players.

But how do the actions vVv have made affected the way that other organizations within eSports perceive vVv and those affiliated with them? Here's a quote that CatZ made in the Reddit thread, concerning vVv leaving and moving into LoL:

  • Try to treat your LoL team and community with respect, and be nice to them cause they don't know what they're getting into, and I doubt they know who you are, so go into another scene and take it as your chance to change into a person that does good things and commands respect and admiration, instead of burning bridges within the industry.

CatZ is the founder and Leader of ROOT gaming, a team that holds on of the largest followings in SC2, as well has owning a DOTA 2 team. CatZ is also one of the most respected people in the SC2 industry for his work with developing players and the community.

I could go on, but at this point, it's beating a dead horse. I know that there are a lot good people here, and I know that many of you have become comfortable working with vVv, but I can all but guarantee you, that being a part of vVv will only serve as hindrance to you career. If you do choose to stay even after reading these testimonies, you are directly condoning the actions that vVv has taken, and that you acknowledge the broken promises, the lies, and vVv's constant excuses as to why they are never to blame. I can not understand why anyone would want to be apart of an organization that has time and time again gained and lost the faith of their members.

I hope that upon reading this post you think long and hard about who you want to be affiliated with and what the consequences are of being apart of an organzation.

On a final note, don't sell yourself short. If you do decide that vVv is not the place for you, get out there and start talking with other organizations. 95% of people that want to be involved in Esports, never actually try contacting those in eSports. Shoot high, try messaging the EGs, and the TSMs, and the CLG and all those big names, and ask for some volunteer work. The worst thing they tell you is they have no open positions, and they thank you for your interest.

So I guess that's all there is to it. I sincerely hope you all end up getting the most out of your eSports experience, and that you all continue to be amazing people.

I've never really been big on bumping my social media stuff, but if you're interested on keeping tabs on me, feel free to follow me at:

Twitter: @HieiSC2

Twitch. Twitch.tv/HieiSc2

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jared.scruggs.7

E-mail: SuperFireFly321@hotmail.com

Skype: MauiMallardTerran

Again, I hope to see you all doing great things with your careers, and wish you the best of luck.

I love you all, be safe.



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http://www.vvv-gaming.com/page/hall-fame

 

I think reality speaks for itself.  Here's a list of events we've sponsored players for, JUST winning.  Not really sure who we're screwing over or in what way.  It seems like some people had some wrong ideas of expectations and communication was poor, but to claim outright lies is slander.  Good luck to you in your future and I hope you give up this crusade to destroy vVv for whatever personal reasons you hold and instead try to do something productive!

 

Also, I can say that I was personally involved with the sponsorships of RuFF, Glon, Titan, Hasuu, Rocker, MurDeR, off the top of my head.  vVv has spent thousands of dollars on the competitive SC2 scene sending players to events, not to mention the thousands spent on WNS which ran for about 26 weeks I believe ($2600).  What promises we broke to Glon I'm still not sure about.  We sponsored him to Dallas and then he left, I'd love it if he'd clarify exactly what promise was broken.

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I was not involved with Nubrgni as I had already stepped down to let Salvor run things at that point.  My understanding is that Nubr expected certain things and management expected other things and somewhere in between things weren't communicated properly.

 

This doesn't mean he was lied to, only that there was a lack of communication.

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NuBrGNi was never 'promised' anything. We told Salvor to ask him for an estimate on his flight for Dallas, this led him to the assumption that we were covering his flight. "i just assumed i was attendin dallas cause he came up to me with the topic" direct quote from my convo with John from skype, this whole thing is has a lot of details that simply are not true. The issue with Glon was that we were transitioning between SC2 management before Dallas. We booked it flight later than usual because of this, but everything he was "promised" was delivered just like every other sponsored player vVv has worked with. 

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I read this and think. . .'m glad Doom and Robz made the tough choice of closing the division. Although they should have done it sooner, it's misinformed posts like this that show tha the SC2 DIV was not properly managed and had to go.

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I read this and think. . .'m glad Doom and Robz made the tough choice of closing the division. Although they should have done it sooner, it's misinformed posts like this that show tha the SC2 DIV was not properly managed and had to go.

I'm so tired of this. When push comes to shove, almost every sponsered players post I've read on TL and Reddit have had only negative things to say about vVv and the way they go about caring for their players, if you want to deny and try and shuffle the blame off from yourselves yet again, so be it. At the end of the day, vVv has gone down as one of the poorest ran organizations in the SC2 community.

 

I do agree with your sentiments about having ended the SC2 division sooner, which would have allowed Nub to spend his time seeking teams that could actually offer him something other than just a title as a "sponsored" player, where as vVv had no intention of offering him the benefits any sponsored player would receive.

 

Good luck in League of Legends, hopefully this will serve as a learning experience for all parties, and we're all better human beings for it.

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Hasuu, Ruff, Titan, Murder (our SPONORED) players all had good things to say.  And Nub was never promised anything. Sorry, but you have to get your facts correct. We're soooooo bad that Hasuu remained and switched to LoL.  Think about it.

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