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      We have moved to Discord   08/04/2016

      There has been a strong desire among the community to migrate to Discord for quite some time. As of today, our community will be using Discord and as a result, we will no longer be actively using our TeamSpeak Server.  The TeamSpeak server will temporarily stay active to help inform all of our move to Discord. Within the next couple of months, it will be shut down completely.  For a quick invite to our new Discord server, you can click here.  
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      vVv Gaming Presents: ADL Season 10!   08/12/2016

      TL;DR: Season 10 of the vVv Gaming LoL ADL begins Friday, August 19th @9pm EST/6pm PST! Discord Info              Just be on Discord at the check in time and have a level 30 with at least 16 champions to participate! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ vVv Gaming has had a long history in competitive e-sports; and, while the LCS may be a long way off for the organization, we can still participate in semi-competitive LoL activities as a community. The ADL has, and will continue to be, our main way to achieve this. However, let’s be honest, the ADL has had a rough time over the past few seasons. This comes from both participant enjoyment, as well as coordination and structuring of the event as a whole. While I do not plan on completely fixing the system from the start, I do believe that there are some short (and long) term changes that can make the experience better for everyone: ·         We are keeping participation points for this season, as well as the Elo ranking system used for previous seasons. ·         We will have people recruiting more in the game from the community, and attempt to bring more LoL community members to the discord that we feel would be good for the vVv community. ·         We will be implementing new rules for the drafting phase. Some of these rules will be introduced as the season progresses and are covered below. ·         Unfortunately, at this point in time, there is no information regarding a prize. If a viable prize method/opportunity comes about in the future, current season winners will be rewarded retroactively. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rules and Details (Read if new):          Nights will consist of two matches per night. You must be able to attend both games (Don’t be that guy, play it out).          Be on Discord NO LATER than 8:55pm EST/5:55pm PST for Check In. This will be slowly changed to 8:45pm EST as the season progresses. We want the drafting phase this season to be as smooth as possible.  We want to give people time to announce their roles before hand.           Check in will happen in the ADL Check In Discord Channel BEFORE players move to the regular ADL channel, and at 9:00pm EST people will move to channels matching their Dynamic Queue rank. Missing the check-in deadline means that you will not be able to participate that night and will not receive a participation point.          During the Check In, participants will announce their top 3 preferred roles for a staff member to place in a spreadsheet (Discord does not allow for your descriptions to be changed, that I am aware of).          Have a level 30 account, at least 16 champions, and be ready to have some fun!          Additional Questions? Contact vVv Eternal or vVv Yui        The ADL will last for 10 weeks this season, there will then be a three-week break before the next season starts (Currently scheduled for Nov. 11, 2016).        Cheating or Smurfing in the ADL is not permitted. Anyone caught doing either of these this will be suspended from the ADL, no exceptions. Cheating will result in a permanent suspension, smurfing will result in a 5-week suspension.  New Drafting Process: So, in previous seasons of the ADL, the highest ranked players were given the priority in being team captains for any given night. While this was not a bad system, it did leave some players feeling left out over the course of the season. That being said: ·         Highest ranked players will no longer be automatically chosen as the team captain. ·         Team captains will be chosen by the number of participation points that a player has (you earn 1 point for each night you attend, REGARDLESS of whether or not you are picked). ·         No player can be captain more than once every 4 weeks (depending on overall participation). ·         The first weekend will have captains from an arbitrary division and lower. So here is my logic (bear with me). With some outlying cases, most of the team captains would pick from highest available skill in a role down, until all of the top players (and a few peoples friends) were picked. I don’t expect this to change at all; however, this allows for both new and lower skill level players and community members, as well as frequent participants, to always have a shot at playing. They also get the benefit of knowing (eventually) in advance that they will be captains. Additional Information: I would like to try and address the speed of the drafting process. For now, the primary way of doing this will be the check-in time; however, if another feasible method is suggested, any changes will be updated in this section. After the Games: ·         Players will join the winning team's discord channel, and all players will be given feedback if they desire it. ·         Players may also provide criticism and suggestions for the ADL. (We are still seeking to improve the event if the community desires it) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Darn Rules ·         Teams will still be matched by alphabetical order of Discord channel for the time being. ·         The winner of the first match will play the winner of the second (both matches are played out simultaneously), and the same goes for the losing teams. ·         The higher team alphabetically will be chosen to be on the blue side for the first game, and the lower team will get blue side when the second game is played. Leaving/AFK: If someone leaves a game for any reason and does not reconnect, they will be given a 2-night suspension from the ADL. The player may appeal the suspension with an ADL Staff member if there was a legitimate reason for the disconnect. However, all appeals must happen at least 24 hours before the next ADL event. You also may only appeal a disconnect once per season. Pausing: Players may pause the game for UP TO 10 minutes if a player on their team is having connection issues. PLAYERS MUST INFORM AN ADL STAFF MEMBER IF A GAME IS PAUSED. If the reason cannot be resolved in 10 minutes, the team whose player disconnected will concede the match. If the enemy team agrees, they may also use their 10-minute pause to give the other team more time. Teams only get two pauses per game. Replacement Players: Player replacement will be handled the same as in previous seasons. A player may be replaced by another player of the same rank or lower, provided both teams agree to the replacement. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ So that’s it folks.  Thank you for sticking through the whole announcement, we understand it is somewhat lengthy, however the information had to be provided.  You are now ready for the 10th season of the ADL! If you have any questions feel free to contact vVv Eternal     See you on Friday, August 19th at 8:55pm EST/6:00pm PST!     ADL Staff: vVv Eternal   To join the discussion click here!  
    • vVv Bagzli

      Changes to Community Game Nights   09/13/2016

      Thank you to everyone who participated in week’s survey.  After reviewing responses from the survey sent out to tournament participants the previous week, staff availability, and looking at conflicts with other tournaments, we have decided to make changes to our Wednesday Night Tournaments.  Moving forward, as of Thursday, September 22nd, team tournaments will be hosted on Thursdays as opposed to Wednesdays. We hope with the new schedule, the overall participation will improve, as there will be fewer conflicts between tournaments being hosted.   If you have any further feedback, please leave us a comment in the following thread:  http://www.vvv-gaming.com/forum/topic/72439-supersonic-series-feedback-thread/
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      Supersonic Series Season 4!   09/25/2016

      Supersonic Series Season 4 starts on Monday, October 10th, 2016   vVv Gaming is proud to present the return of the Supersonic Series!  Unique game nights each week will allow teams and individual Rocketeers to bring their A game and level up their gaming skills!  Whether the goal is to improve teamwork, find suitable opponents, or just acquire valuable feedback on how to improve one’s gameplay, these events will accomplish just that!   Quick Facts: Supersonic Draft is every Monday at 8:30 PM EST. Supersonic Showdown is every Thursday at 8:30 PM EST. Supersonic Showdown will be factored into the RLC Power Rankings! Supersonic Showdown will be streamed, Supersonic Draft will not (unless we find more casters - interested? click here) Supersonic Series Rules & Regulations can be found by clicking here. To register for the tournaments visit www.vvv-gaming.com/rocket-league/register on the day of the tournament If you are late to check-ins via our Discord Server, you will not get to play.  Don't be late. To stay up to date with Supersonic Series, follow us on Twitter @vVv_Gaming Scroll to the bottom of this post to learn more about becoming a vVv Gaming Community member or how you can join our staff Season 4 will last 8 Weeks, which will be followed by a Season Finale which will be the 9th Week of the Series Supersonic Draft Season Finale will feature top 24 players based on the Solo Leaderboard from Season 4 Supersonic Showdown Season Finale will feature top 8 teams based on the Team Leaderboard from Season 4   Supersonic Draft When: Mondays at 9PM EST (6PM PST)  Check-in starts at 8:30PM EST and close at 8:45PM EST
      Where: vVv Gaming Discord Server: http://www.vvv-gaming.com/discord/invite  (Discord Guide: http://www.vvv-gaming.com/discord/guide)
      Format: 3vs3 - Double Elimination Tournament. Best of three in the winner's bracket and best of one in the loser's bracket until the last two matches which return to best of three. Style: Captain's Draft - Captains are chosen at random (see Registration section for more details) and each captain picks their team-mates. Captains will take turns picking their teammates in a “snake-style” (A, B, C, C, B, A) draft until all teams have 3 players each. Participating with friends is encouraged, however, there is no guarantee that you will be on the same team. The captain’s name will be entered into the Challonge bracket and will be used to represent their team.  Voice channels will be created for each of the teams on our Discord server. Registration: Visit http://vvv-gaming.com/rocket-league/register on the day of the tournament to register.  While signing up you will be able to volunteer to be a captain.  If there are more volunteer captains than the total number of teams, the captains will be picked at random from the pool of volunteers.  If there are not enough volunteer captains, then the remaining number of captains needed will be chosen at random from the remainder of players.  


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Guttzu

Pretty Bold Statement...

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So after hearing Jerry talk briefly about Team Paradigm I have been looking around their website...

This statement should spark fires underneath everyone's asses... Team Paradigm "Leading GW2 PVP Resource"... I also noticed that their Profession Discussion thread doesn't seem too "active" with recent posts...

Here is what appears to be the main competition... Game time vVv!!!

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Only time will tell who is #1 on the battlefield.

vVv sadly has a past history of aiming for the top of an MMO, but then leaving 2-3 months later to the next MMO.

Edited by iDragon UK

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Only time will tell who is #1 on the battlefield.

vVv sadly has a past history of aiming for the top of an MMO, but then leaving 2-3 months later to the next MMO.

To be honest, vVv goes where the crowd goes. Is WH, Rift, SW:TOR, etc. relevant anymore?

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Nope, they're not. Most were never actually relevant. Though SW:TOR sure tried.

If GW2 is anything like GW1 then the competition will be fierce and we have our work cut out for us. It should be fun :)

Edited by IVFearless

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I feel like once we get our content production rolling more assertively, (which will be the case going forward from what I understood from the meeting) we will have little issue holding our own, both online and in game, as "the best GW2 PvP resource."

That said, Team Paradigm is great and I respect their presence in the GW2 community - competition like that only makes quality of gaming better. :)

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To be honest, vVv goes where the crowd goes. Is WH, Rift, SW:TOR, etc. relevant anymore?

I'm just saying, I've never seen anything huge in the MMO Division from vVv. You guys never went into WoW, GW1, or any other big MMOs that lasted more then a few months of launch hype.

vVv had a guild in rift and Aion, but I heard something happened and the guilds fell apart. I also heard your leader(s) don't stay in the game very long either. I understand you want to "Stay with the crowd" but how do you expect to make a name for your self in the MMO World if you keep leaving for the next fad?

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You bring up a great point, consistancy is the key to success in an endeavor like this. Still being a top guild a year into the game is worth a lot more then being #1 for a month and the quiting.

I might be off base but my impression is that vVv is more eSports oriented then mass gaming oriented. It then makes sense for them to not put a whole lot of effort into games with little competitive potential. Hopefully GW2 will be different.

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I'm just saying, I've never seen anything huge in the MMO Division from vVv. You guys never went into WoW, GW1, or any other big MMOs that lasted more then a few months of launch hype.

vVv had a guild in rift and Aion, but I heard something happened and the guilds fell apart. I also heard your leader(s) don't stay in the game very long either. I understand you want to "Stay with the crowd" but how do you expect to make a name for your self in the MMO World if you keep leaving for the next fad?

While I agree with some of your points I still think the game itself needs to be fun, engaging and overall attracting for players to stay and thus for a guild to stay active. The MMO's you mentioned initially had promise but at the end of the day players lost interest in playing due to various reason; be it game mechanics, lack of content (raids / PvP) or what have you.

Our latest attempt (SWTOR) flopped (in my eyes) because of the lack of decent PvP, seeing that we (vVv) are primarily PvP focused that was a major issue for the majority of the guild. In the end, the lack of sustainable PvP content was the demise of the guild.

Its not logical to keep throwing resources, time and energy at keeping a guild viable when you lack a player base and the game type your perusing (in this case PvP) is lacking, broken or otherwise not enjoyable.

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You bring up a great point, consistancy is the key to success in an endeavor like this. Still being a top guild a year into the game is worth a lot more then being #1 for a month and the quiting.

I might be off base but my impression is that vVv is more eSports oriented then mass gaming oriented. It then makes sense for them to not put a whole lot of effort into games with little competitive potential. Hopefully GW2 will be different.

I understand where they are going also, I'm not saying its bad its just not my style I guess.

I just don't understand why they didn't get into WoW even it was at its prime and Arena was good. It was even on the MLG Circuit for awhile and they never went after a team (That I know of) and they never had any big guilds in it either (That I know of).

GW1 was a pretty big E-Sports game for its time. It was overlooked because of WoW, but GvG was great! GW2 is going to overshadow WoW (Hopefully) and will be looked at as an E-Sports now. I just hope more gaming communitys will look at GW2 and see how much potential it has. Arenanet even said its trying to work with their players to make SPvP an E-Sport.

While I agree with some of your points I still think the game itself needs to be fun, engaging and overall attracting for players to stay and thus for a guild to stay active. The MMO's you mentioned initially had promise but at the end of the day players lost interest in playing due to various reason; be it game mechanics, lack of content (raids / PvP) or what have you.

Our latest attempt (SWTOR) flopped (in my eyes) because of the lack of decent PvP, seeing that we (vVv) are primarily PvP focused that was a major issue for the majority of the guild. In the end, the lack of sustainable PvP content was the demise of the guild.

Its not logical to keep throwing resources, time and energy at keeping a guild viable when you lack a player base and the game type your perusing (in this case PvP) is lacking, broken or otherwise not enjoyable.

So your are saying WoW and GW1 didn't have a strong enough fan base to do anything? I'm sorry but this sounds like a personal opinion and not an honest reason as to why vVv never picked up players / teams. If you are reffering to Rift, Aion, SWToR, or other MMOs then yes I Agree, but I'm talking about WoW (Still #1 MMO that I know of, this is not an opinion) and GW1 (Had a pretty good player base / count for awhile even for how old it is).

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To be honest, vVv goes where the crowd goes. Is WH, Rift, SW:TOR, etc. relevant anymore?

True, but there should be some residual support imo for the players that join vVv, but still play those games, at least a forum and the option of one of the mmo players to take over the whole shabang to free up the main admins to work on the next mmo.

This can be a really important thing, because there are a lot of people out there that are dedicated to game "X" and want to be in a guild that has a history of sticking it out with mmo's.

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So your are saying WoW and GW1 didn't have a strong enough fan base to do anything? I'm sorry but this sounds like a personal opinion and not an honest reason as to why vVv never picked up players / teams. If you are reffering to Rift, Aion, SWToR, or other MMOs then yes I Agree, but I'm talking about WoW (Still #1 MMO that I know of, this is not an opinion) and GW1 (Had a pretty good player base / count for awhile even for how old it is).

My understanding is that we never picked up a WoW or GW1 team for the same reason we don't have a competitive Quake or CoD4 team. Yes the games are popular and competitive, but they don't bring anything new to the table. Why invest in a game that will eventually be replaced by something new and shiny? And how are we supposed to predict what game will be that new and shiny game that makes everyone excited again? That's why I believe we've followed the trail of breadcrumbs from Aion to Rift to SWTOR to now GW2.

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every community is ran by leaders and that community will always fallow said leaders because they are running it, no matter if it was personal preference to switch games or fallowing where ever the hype was if your apart of the community and decide to stay loyal to the community you will switch with them, and that is what build communities to grow in name and recognition, not trying to build a community in a game and putting time resources and man power into something that will last only a few month to maybe even a year, the leaders are in there positions for a reason and will always know what is best for the community, so i ave a question dragon are you here because you are loyal to vVv or are you commenting on this thread to sort of say bad mouth the leaders of this community which is what is sounds like to me and i am sorry if i am not understanding you correctly but this is how it seems to me

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I'm going to put this rest right here. Let me make it clear that we are a business. There was no reason to get involved in WoW or GW1, as there was no business in it. By the time we started our PC division in 2008, it was far too late to join those games. WoW is not something I find interesting, and if I don't support it, or find value in it, then we don't support it. Period.

The fact that we do not stick around for dying games is our STRENGTH. We're agile, flexible and innovative, and we can move into new spaces very quickly. We always look to the future, and stick to where we are going to get the best results for our efforts.

I hope this helps.

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Regardless of what the state of Team Paradigm's forums are, they've produced more content than any other team by a margin of "not even #@!%ing close". But you're absolutely right. This is the wake up call.

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Which is good. As was stated, competition = motivation to crush your opponent.

Looking forward to doing so this weekend.

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My understanding is that we never picked up a WoW or GW1 team for the same reason we don't have a competitive Quake or CoD4 team. Yes the games are popular and competitive, but they don't bring anything new to the table. Why invest in a game that will eventually be replaced by something new and shiny? And how are we supposed to predict what game will be that new and shiny game that makes everyone excited again? That's why I believe we've followed the trail of breadcrumbs from Aion to Rift to SWTOR to now GW2.

I know what you mean, I guess in my eyes I see a "Good" guild for being #1 for a long time, but others might see vVv be the underdog or "brand new" to the game and climbing the ranks. I guess you gotta think about what can bring more website viewers, more players, and the ability to make content.

True, but there should be some residual support imo for the players that join vVv, but still play those games, at least a forum and the option of one of the mmo players to take over the whole shabang to free up the main admins to work on the next mmo.

This can be a really important thing, because there are a lot of people out there that are dedicated to game "X" and want to be in a guild that has a history of sticking it out with mmo's.

Very true, hopefully vVv will support all their MMO players no matter what game.

every community is ran by leaders and that community will always fallow said leaders because they are running it, no matter if it was personal preference to switch games or fallowing where ever the hype was if your apart of the community and decide to stay loyal to the community you will switch with them, and that is what build communities to grow in name and recognition, not trying to build a community in a game and putting time resources and man power into something that will last only a few month to maybe even a year, the leaders are in there positions for a reason and will always know what is best for the community, so i ave a question dragon are you here because you are loyal to vVv or are you commenting on this thread to sort of say bad mouth the leaders of this community which is what is sounds like to me and i am sorry if i am not understanding you correctly but this is how it seems to me

No offense but I'm not here to be "loyal" to vVv. I have no desire to join vVv (or apply w/e). I'm here just to talk about GW2. I sign up on every GW2 site/forums that I can so I can meet and talk to other GW2 players. Help get my name out there and make new friends or enemy I can practice SPvP with. vVv gaming (From what I heard) is a community website so I don't think everyone who comes on here is just here to "be loyal yo vVv" I'm not trying to BM anyone, I just wanted to simply talk or have a debate about GW2. Get some peoples gears turning about GW2 and get more people involved about GW2.

I'm going to put this rest right here. Let me make it clear that we are a business. There was no reason to get involved in WoW or GW1, as there was no business in it. By the time we started our PC division in 2008, it was far too late to join those games. WoW is not something I find interesting, and if I don't support it, or find value in it, then we don't support it. Period.

The fact that we do not stick around for dying games is our STRENGTH. We're agile, flexible and innovative, and we can move into new spaces very quickly. We always look to the future, and stick to where we are going to get the best results for our efforts.

I hope this helps.

Thats also understandable, I didn't know you guys didn't start your PC division till 2008. In 2008, yes I would say that was too late to start in WoW or GW1 so I can see why you didn't try, well hopefully you didn't try. I would say that is a Strength, ya some guilds/community die because they try to hold onto their baby games. I just think you could of kept a guild in those game just to work on your name in the MMO scene, but hey thats just my opinion and I worry too much about the image I have on others.

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When you're the most accomplished console organization in the world with Top 4 LAN finishes on 4 continents, I can assure you that LAST thing we worry about is eRep. :-)

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No offense but I'm not here to be "loyal" to vVv. I have no desire to join vVv (or apply w/e). I'm here just to talk about GW2. I sign up on every GW2 site/forums that I can so I can meet and talk to other GW2 players. Help get my name out there and make new friends or enemy I can practice SPvP with. vVv gaming (From what I heard) is a community website so I don't think everyone who comes on here is just here to "be loyal yo vVv" I'm not trying to BM anyone, I just wanted to simply talk or have a debate about GW2. Get some peoples gears turning about GW2 and get more people involved about GW2.

never said you were here to be loyal, it was a response to what you have been saying that vVv is wrong in switch to each game and not creating a name for them selves or anything like that, and if you are here to talk about gw2 then please refrain from talking, stating or telling hearsay about vVv that is negative in any such way and about the people who come here no they dont have to be loyal to vVv but there is a point of being respectful and disrespectful and you are quit frankly to me on the border

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When you're the most accomplished console organization in the world with Top 4 LAN finishes on 4 continents, I can assure you that LAST thing we worry about is eRep. :-)

I see, I mean this with no disrespect but in my eyes all I see is this community is good on Console, which is cool. Then I want to know what you've done in the MMO Scene of things. I guess I say that because I don't play console, so even having top 1 lan finishes doesn't really sway me (or grab my attention). I'm an MMO player so MMO background / history is what I look at. Some MMO players will look at any background and go for it, but I guess I'm an odd duckling and would rather have a background in MMO (Big or small) then console gaming.

I see, I mean this with no disrespect but in my eyes all I see is this community is good on Console, which is cool. Then I want to know what you've done in the MMO Scene of things. I guess I say that because I don't play console, so even having top 1 lan finishes doesn't really sway me (or grab my attention). I'm an MMO player so MMO background / history is what I look at. Some MMO players will look at any background and go for it, but I guess I'm an odd duckling and would rather have a background in MMO (Big or small) then console gaming.

" so i ave a question dragon are you here because you are loyal to vVv or are you commenting on this thread to sort of say bad mouth the leaders of this community which is what is sounds like to me and i am sorry if i am not understanding you correctly but this is how it seems to me"

See you did say it... But anyway... I see where your coming from.. You are just trying to I guess "Defend" your home from an "invader". I'm not here to talk trash or "troll" I'm here to talk about GW2 and vVv is trying to get in the GW2 scene so it doesn't hurt to talk about your flaws. If you don't allow people to point out what you do right and wrong, how can you fix your wrongs?

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" so i ave a question dragon are you here because you are loyal to vVv or are you commenting on this thread to sort of say bad mouth the leaders of this community which is what is sounds like to me and i am sorry if i am not understanding you correctly but this is how it seems to me"

;) See you did say it... But anyway... I see where your coming from.. You are just trying to I guess "Defend" your home from an "invader". I'm not here to talk trash or "troll" I'm here to talk about GW2 and vVv is trying to get in the GW2 scene so it doesn't hurt to talk about your flaws. If you don't allow people to point out what you do right and wrong, how can you fix your wrongs? :D

ok yes i did say that i am sorry and i guess you can talk about it but what make it that you can decide what we are doing is wrong or right? also there are 2 ways of doing this i feel the way you have done it was the wrong way

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ok yes i did say that i am sorry and i guess you can talk about it but what make it that you can decide what we are doing is wrong or right? also there are 2 ways of doing this i feel the way you have done it was the wrong way

Not taking sides, just being open minded. Is his approach wrong? taking a step back, to me it looks like an open debate. Good open healthy debate, while keeping your ego and maturity level in check is good for any community. Yes, he brings up some good points and asks questions not seeing any personal attacks or attacks towards vVv and its community.

Open debate requires an open mind :)

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ok yes i did say that i am sorry and i guess you can talk about it but what make it that you can decide what we are doing is wrong or right? also there are 2 ways of doing this i feel the way you have done it was the wrong way

I already posted how I thought you guys did it wrong. I said I (ME) would of sticked through it on those games and still tried to work something out. You can always promote and teach people to lead a guild or raid. I don't think the way I'm "Doing this" is the wrong way. Like dark said, I'm just asking questions and I'm not "attacking" anyone personally. Sometimes you have to take a little flame, to open peoples minds up. Like Lordjerith even posted on here because he thought I was "Attacking" this community.

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lol @vVv SugarBear

@iDragon UK: Rather then talking about what's done, why don't you tell us how we can succeed in GW2? I'm sure we can benefit from your wisdom :)

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lol @vVv SugarBear

@iDragon UK: Rather then talking about what's done, why don't you tell us how we can succeed in GW2? I'm sure we can benefit from your wisdom :)

Just my observation from being around young people more :)

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