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My Time With vVv - Keykat

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Hello Hello!
So I figured I should write a hopefully small blog about my time with vVv and the people within it.
I joined vVv in April of 2014 and was kicked from vVv in June of 2015 so i just passed my 1 year mark. At the time vVv was about the Community and the people it strived to create and mold into awesome gamers that you'd want on your team.

 

To start the story off I'll talk about my first encounter with vVv. I was introduced to Rob and Jerry through an old member named Ivan. Ivan would rave about vVv and would never shut up about how awesome and great the community was for his career for whatever the heck he wanted to be (he could never decide). One day in April Ivan and I went to one of the League's LCS games and that's where Ivan introduced me to Rob. One way or another we all end up at the vVv gaming house chatting the night away about many topics and this is where I was introduced to Jerry. Now I already heard many things about vVv from Ivan but to talk directly to the owner himself, that's a way better conversation in itself. I've never been sure if Jerry actually didn't mind me as a human but in my eyes I had some what of an approval from him. I mean the first day I met him he was trying to recruit me into vVv and talking about being on staff. So that night I Google the vVv page and started my journey as an applicant!

 

As an applicant of course I wanted to be an "A+ student" so i did my forum post, I was in Mumble all the time and tried to make it to events. Sooner or later i ended up getting my Vs! And not so soon after I was put on staff. I was the application manager and oh man how I loved to tell people about it events XD I'm sure I had a few eyerolls about it but I was proud! Proud to have my Vs and be apart of the process for others! Although I could never make staff meeting because of my weird schedule, I would write reports on all the applicants and talk to the other staff about it as much as possible. One day I actually was able to make an event; The glorious ADL I've always heard about but never able to attend! I was so excited since a friend of mine picked me and we won both games! But then I get pulled to a room by the ADL Lead at the time Pleague and told that I can't play in ADL anymore because I was reported for spamming laugh. Now for me, I'm a silly person some times and I like to make League a fun environment but when told that for spamming laugh I can't play anymore is quite absurd. So I blew it off, I mean I never make the event so it didn't seem to be a problem. But for Pleague that apparently was and he brought it to Sugarbear's attention right afterwards to where the three of us were in a channel talking about not two minutes later. Pleague believed that I should have a harsher punishment because I, at the time was staff, but Sugarbear said it being ban for awhile was a fine punishment and we left it at that. To me it was all just a pointless battle.
But that very weekend after the incident the staff meeting was canceled because Jerry had Sugarbear as a guessed in his home, and that Sunday November 16 i got a message saying "I just wanted to send you a message letting you know that we're going to be going through some changes in how we run vVv. As a result of those changes we won't need you on staff anymore and want you to return to being an awesome community member."
Once I saw this in my head and even out loud I said "Wait, What?! Why????" No explanation nothing to tell me if I did anything wrong or why I wasnt apart of the transition to the new staff team and even when I did ask I never got a straight answer. Here I was think I was doing a great job getting good community members into vVv and lightening the load on the other staff members at the time. Of course I was quite upset, very pissed off actually. How could some one just throw away another person so emotionlessly? It broke my heart to have to be forced out of my place and thrown aside with out even a tissue from the other party. But I continued on as a member but a bit of me was now disconnected with vVv and its unprofessional like ways made me salty towards it.

The best part of vVv is it's members old and new. God these guys are amazing people! And I really do mean that. The only great thing i honestly got out of vVv was these friendships and bonds I've created.
PAX South was coming around in January and a group of us plan to go. And we all thankfully got to go together and have a blast! We went as vVv repping gear and looking awesome and I'm so glad I was able to met up and hang out with people I talked to every day in Mumble.
But then PAX East came around in March OHHHH BOY!!! The group at PAX east was amazing as well and I loved how well some of us got along and some of the people I went with are very dear to my heart now. But it was 5 of us in a room for 4 nights and of course most of us were already comfortable with one another and we joked and drank. But we had a complication within the room, there was a snorer. Only one. And non of us minded but if you didn't have earplugs you might as well been sleeping next to a freight train. Now every night we were all drinking and every night we had to deal with snorebear and on I believe the Sataurday morning(4am) I decided to Snapchat a ten sec video to just the others in the room of the snoring. The video was pitch black and you could faintly hear the snores in the video, no name was placed just blackness and the sound. Of course when every one awoke they saw the video and it was the talk of the morning. Apparently that was not okay in Sugarbear's eyes because on the Monday morning when everyone was leaving I was threatened in front of everyone in the room. Sugarbear told me if he ever hears of me doing that to another community member he would delete me from vVv and make me disappear from the community and wouldnt be able to communicate with anyone from the community. Yeah what a heavy goodbye morning we had. So here was another tick away at vVv in my eyes and I unlatched myself from vVv for a bit because of that. How could a blatant joke made for only people within the room be so blown out of proportion? But yet again here I was joking around with some one who I considered as friend and then given an unprofessional and robotic response.

 

Then 3 months passed and I've been semi afk with the vVv community, mumble and forums because of the incidences.
I was just about to start coming back from this when I finally figured out why my mumble wouldn't let me log in, I thought I was ban and I was like "oh no.... it's happening." But the servers changed and I logged on to see one of my friends there. We started talking and then he told me the news about the chop list. I was on it and so i logged onto the forums once again to see the list but...you have to be a member to see it ( which personally I think is fucking stupid because if I didn't have my friend to tell me, I would still be sitting here saying "oh im still in vVv" so that shit needs to be seen for the people chopped also maybe a twitter blast about dat shit? like come on! half the community has twitter ffs.)
No explanation for why I was chopped either, not one message or note, anything to tell me what is going on. Which once again shows me how unprofessional some people are. Ex. Hey we're going to fire you from your job and not tell you so you'll still come to work until one of your co-workers go "dude didn't you hear? you got fired last week."
^ In no way is that acceptable so why is vVv doing that? Because it's a community? This is not in anyway a good reason for this behavior. We applied for this, we waited our months through the process and we donating time and money to it, so why is it so hard to tell some one a simple "Hey, I'm sorry to tell you this but we are going to have to cut you from our team for "reasons listed". Because nothing makes a better experience in ending a relationship than doing it the RIGHT WAY! Why is the vVv staff so impersonable about these things and yet screams that we are a "Community" based organization? This baffles me to even think that this is the same vVv! The same one that Ivan told me about what feels like so long ago.
Now that vVv is making changes towards Pro-gaming I think it just switched tracks all together and said hope all the passengers survive.

 


So here I am post vVv and yet I feel that the only thing tying me to it is the people.
I'll possibly still be around every so often just to chat with friends.
And sadly this didn't end as a shot blog as i hoped sorry ^u^;;;
Thanks for reading ^w^ and good luck gamers!
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I think this was an excellent blog, because you set out and accomplished what you hoped to do. You explained some of the great things you experienced, as well as some of the not so great things. It sounds like there are some people that need to work on their communication skills. The robotics and lack of transparency from some of the higher ups can be annoying at times, especially when they want the rest of us to be as transparent as we can be with all of the other community members. I feel as though some of our staff members could really use some work on that aspect.

I never really got the chance to meet you, only in passing on mumble or the shoutbox from time to time. When I saw the chop list I was surprised to see your name because I viewed you as one of the more active and pleasant LoL members that I've been around. I'm sorry that you had some bad encounters and situations with people around here. Maybe you should just get an Xbox and come join the dark side :-)

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Hey keykat,

 

vVv staff is not perfect, infact far from it.  vVv Staff is composed of people who have aspired to do great things but never knew how to go about it.  Myself as an example, I always wanted to be a strong leader,  I always wanted to develop a website that people are proud to call their own, and most of all I always wanted to know how to talk to people and help them overcome their problems when it matters.  However, I honestly didn't know how to go about any of it.

 

Now, as imperfect as vVv staff is, it has taught me how to go about achieving all three things I named above.  In return I have given this community my all, to say thank you.  During my time on staff, I had my own issues with sugarbear, rob, and even jerry at some point.  And the reason why I am still on staff, and the reason why I still have good relations with all three of these individuals is because when I had an issue or they have done something that has pissed me off, I would not go and write a blog pointing fingers and making one sided stories for everyone to see (in other words, causing drama), instead I requested 1 on 1 conversations with the individual in question and I would explain to them my side of the story, how I am seeing this and how I do not agree with their views or actions.  In return, they have always been fer with me and tried to work things out and find common grounds to resolve our differences.

 

I don't know all the details as to what happened, but I do know that there are always two stories to an argument.  The fact that during your time on vVv staff you have not learned how to deal with problems without causing drama just shows that you have a lot of growing up to do and that staff probably was not a place for you yet.  You can take this as me being an ass or you can take it as something for you to work on, but know that when I say this, I say it because I hope you will see it as the latter.  Either way I do wish you the best of luck wherever your path takes you and I hope that you start talking to people you have problems with to resolve them, as oppose to posting blogs and attempting to cause drama.

 

Honestly, life is too short to allow our feelings to get the best of us.  That pride we have in us is the root cause of all drama that comes up.  If we can learn to look past it and face the problem from other person's point of view, this world would be a lot easier to live in and we would all get along much better.

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I think this was an excellent blog, because you set out and accomplished what you hoped to do. You explained some of the great things you experienced, as well as some of the not so great things. It sounds like there are some people that need to work on their communication skills. The robotics and lack of transparency from some of the higher ups can be annoying at times, especially when they want the rest of us to be as transparent as we can be with all of the other community members. I feel as though some of our staff members could really use some work on that aspect.

I never really got the chance to meet you, only in passing on mumble or the shoutbox from time to time. When I saw the chop list I was surprised to see your name because I viewed you as one of the more active and pleasant LoL members that I've been around. I'm sorry that you had some bad encounters and situations with people around here. Maybe you should just get an Xbox and come join the dark side :-)

Thank you :> Im just happy to share my experience and not be judge or blamed for it... >w>

This experience helped me out a lot with my socal networking and its not like I hated my journey with vVv. 

But at the moment I'm saving up for a new computer >w<  so an Xbox is no where near any time soon :P

BUUtttttttt i would love to hang out with you and talk! :D 

^w^

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I think Bagzli nailed it!  

I'm always available to chat at anytime, so if you had any issues, you should have reached out to me directly. I'm on Mumble almost everyday playing ESO, World Of warships or HotS. 

Otherwise, Bagzli said all I could say. :-)

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 I would not go and write a blog pointing fingers and making one sided stories for everyone to see (in other words, causing drama), instead I requested 1 on 1 conversations with the individual in question and I would explain to them my side of the story, how I am seeing this and how I do not agree with their views or actions.  In return, they have always been fer with me and tried to work things out and find common grounds to resolve our differences.

 

I don't know all the details as to what happened, but I do know that there are always two stories to an argument.  The fact that during your time on vVv staff you have not learned how to deal with problems without causing drama just shows that you have a lot of growing up to do and that staff probably was not a place for you yet.  You can take this as me being an ass or you can take it as something for you to work on, but know that when I say this, I say it because I hope you will see it as the latter.  Either way I do wish you the best of luck wherever your path takes you and I hope that you start talking to people you have problems with to resolve them, as oppose to posting blogs and attempting to cause drama.

 

Dear Bagzli,

I'm not entitled to the tell the other side to this story so the only thing I can do is put down my side to it.  Being that its not a both sides of the story I'm sure there is more to it! and I hope there is, but for me I didn't receive any of the other information that you are looking for. And I'm sad to see that what you took away from this blog was me pointing fingers and to cause drama even though i have no ill tensions such as that. Many people have been asking me what had happened and it was much easier to write this up and have them read it then having to tell the story again and again. 

vVv is not perfect and I know that and that was one of the reason why I loved it, we weren't elitist pricks with our heads up our asses like other communities. But with the lack of communication between people (and I am at fault as well for this) but it doesn't make the wrong right.  

I did ask multiple times to talk about the sistuations but never did it get anywhere, and from what the community knew Jerry/ Rob were only seen on Sundays for the meetings. 

But again I'm sorry that what some of you took away from this was whining or childish but this is what I went through and I felt it was need to be said so that the community can grow from it.

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I think Bagzli nailed it!  

I'm always available to chat at anytime, so if you had any issues, you should have reached out to me directly. I'm on Mumble almost everyday playing ESO, World Of warships or HotS. 

Otherwise, Bagzli said all I could say. :-)

Thank you jerry and I do wish I reached out to you sooner about all this but being that its all in the past is fine. :> 

 

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